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Should SB1070 sponsor and Arizona Senate President Russell Pearce be recalled? 3 years ago on July 19, 2011
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Yes flag 67%
 
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No flag 33%
 
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kantori
3 years ago on July 19, 2011
Talk about Unconstitutional!
A strict violation on the 4th and 5th Amendment.
In b4 "It's OK to take my rights away since I'm legal for my delusion of security"

I get the intention, to find/deport illegals that's fine what isn't is the "trickery" rewording of having this stature not to say it'll violate the 4th & 5th.

Anyways, I am all for States sovereignty however States have no power to to begin with to litigate foreigners of a different country under the Supremacy Clause it's a Federal issue (I draw the line on this in cases of murder).

If States want to wake the Federal Government up in regards to immigration problems they should threaten to secede or use the National Guard to secure the borders since there isn't going to be any real change by the Feds since Republicans want easy labor, and the Democrats want easy votes not since Nixon was there any attempt to do anything what does that say to those of you living on the border of Mexico/Canada?
answered: Yes
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Paaet
3 years ago on July 19, 2011
Good post, kantori.
answered: Yes
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Conway193
3 years ago on July 19, 2011
Illegal immigrants are breaking State and US Federal laws. Hence, they are criminals. If they would simply apply for entrance into the US and wait like everyone else does, they wouldn't be classified as criminals.

But they don't, that is why they are called "illegal aliens".

Consider this scenario:

As a US citizen, try going into Mexico without "your papers". Mexican authorities will heave your ass in jail, and if you survive that experience, you will be deported back to the United States, forthwith.
answered: No
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crizCraig
3 years ago on July 19, 2011
If Mexico offered jobs that paid 10x more than here and people were crossing successfully to get those jobs, albeit "illegally", your scenario would be different, Conway.

Both sides benefit in some ways, lose in others, and both are at fault. Yes, the immigrants should come legally. But the U.S. must streamline the immigration process to align with its interests in having hard working immigrants (of the type who built this country) come in and build our houses, commercial buildings, roads, and do every other job that nobody else wants to do anyway with 100x the effort that native born citizens do.

It's impossible to deport a population the size of New York City. Realistic solutions will not be built on xenophobic, tribalistic, and unconstitutional laws. They will provide a quicker process for immigrants to become citizens and/or get work visas, tighten the borders, and fine businesses who go the illegal route.

Also, this may be hair brained, but it seems like having more young legal workers pay social security and medicare would help with our entitlements disaster as well.
no vote
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crizCraig
3 years ago on July 19, 2011
I live in Arizona and can tell you that this law has noticeably changed the general atmosphere around race in the state negatively towards hispanics, legal or not. I'm very close to some hispanic Americans and the way they get treated, especially 1070 first hit, is deplorable.
no vote
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Conway193
3 years ago on July 20, 2011
@ crizCraig:

You must be a young man, not an old cynic like I am.

Referring to the third paragraph of your first missive, history is replete with mass deportations, and the US Federal government has never followed the Constitution anyway, as far back as the inception of this nation. Just ask the myriad indentured servants that were little more than slaves, the child laborers, the blacks that were dragged here, and the American Indians, that is, the ones who weren't slaughtered on sight.

I personally don't care what ethnicity an immigrant is, or whether they are young, old, male, female, gay or straight - I simply prefer people to abide by the laws of the land. Most illegal immigrants here are in fact Hispanic - that is why the complaints are so shrill, with everyone claiming "racial profiling".

I wonder - if the illegal immigrants were Swedes, Japanese or Hottentots, would there by so much of an outcry?

No matter, the way this place is going, there probably won't be a US to worry about after the next few years - thanks to our own shortsightedness and absolute refusal to learn the lessons of history.
answered: No
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bobunf
3 years ago on July 20, 2011
Pearce's problem is that he is an extremist in many areas of political life. He is a divisive force, and hurts his community and Arizona. Pearce's extremism on some issues (states rights, guns, immigration and others) is used by him to obscure the facts that he is ineffective and has presided over a disastrous state budget.

The recall is not about illegals. That is a smoke screen that Pearce and his ilk will continuously raise to deflect attention from the real issues:

Anybody in education (K through graduate school) is stunned by the abyss Arizona education faces - 49th in per capita funding, below the national average in every measured category, and falling - with another one half Billion dollar cut. Businesses say they wouldn't consider coming to Arizona because of the educational system.

Anybody in the health care profession is (and everybody else should be) alarmed by the current law removing hundreds of thousands of people from AHCCCS, and by the numerous other cuts in health care. The effect of all of this will be vastly increased burial expenses now, increased medical expenses now and in the future, and a damaged health care system. All saving the state approximately zero because there is a 2 for 1 federal match which we are kissing goodbye. A significant part of that match would have ended up in state revenue greatly reducing the cost of our portion. Penny wise and pound foolish.

Anybody in their right mind is astonished at the state's refusal to accept $100 million federal gift for unemployment benefitst that would have helped many of our citizens, benefited the state economy, and enhanced state revenue.

Etc., Etc

And,

There's his environmental record - 3% according to the Arizona League of Conservation Voters.

There's Pearce's defense of Bundgaard.

And the Fiesta Bowl nonsense on top of everything else. Pearce, the champion, taking a fourth of the gifts (bribes) in exchange for millions in subsidies to the Fiesta Bowl. Pure corruption. What else lurks beneath?

Then there's his arrogance - doesn't even bother to answer the CEOs of 60 of Arizona's biggest outfits - great way to encourage expansion in Arizona. Let alone how he treats constituents, which shows a complete lack of common courtesy.

The recall is because Pearce is damaging Arizona. The voters won't fall for his smoke screen distractions and scare tactics this time.
answered: Yes
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Paaet
3 years ago on July 20, 2011
@crizCraig - " build our houses, commercial buildings, roads, and do every other job that nobody else wants to do anyway..." You just named three jobs that employ a vast number of middle class Americans and that are highly sought after for their good pay and benefits. Even half the janitors in my building are white. People with no skills and low intelligence and learning disabilities need jobs too. Had you said picking potatoes you may have been on to something.

The problem with too much immigration is that it drives down the value of labor jobs, like the ones you just mentioned. Why pay an American $20 an hour when I can pay Paco slave wages?
answered: Yes
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